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About Tom Foster

Tom Foster spends most of his time talking with managers and business owners. The conversations are about business lives and personal lives, goals, objectives and measuring performance. In short, transforming groups of people into teams working together. Sometimes we make great strides understanding this management stuff, other times it’s measured in very short inches. But in all of this conversation, there are things that we learn. This blog is that part of the conversation I can share. Often, the names are changed to protect the guilty, but this is real life inside of real companies.

The Bet

“The difference,” I spoke quietly, “the difference is the big three. Frequency, duration and proximity of the manager.” We had been talking about getting process changes to stick with the workforce.

“You have noticed that your training on these process changes seems to last for about a week before the new behavior is extinguished.”

Extinguished?” Ryan asked.

Extinguished, like a fire, put out. The behavior goes away. Let’s look at your management reinforcement to the new behavior. There are three possibilities. Positive reinforcement of the correct new behavior. Negative reinforcement of the old wrong behavior. No reinforcement regardless of the behavior.

“You described that your managers gave no reinforcement regardless of the behavior?”

Ryan nodded his head. “Well, yeah, we figured we had done our job in the training. Why should we have to go back to make sure they are doing it the new way?”

“Because, with no reinforcement, the new behavior is extinguished after one week. Not only does it happen, it is predictable. I will bet you a dollar that if you go back and re-train the new behavior, on the floor, that new behavior will be extinguished after one week.”

Ryan’s eyes were looking at me, but you could tell he was looking inward. “You would win your bet. It is predictable. So what do we do?”

What’s the Difference?

“We trained them to do it. And when that didn’t work, we trained them again. They even passed the certification test,” complained Ryan. “But when they get back out on the floor, they go back to doing it the same old way. I just don’t understand.”

“So, you have focused all your attention on the time period prior to the behavior?” I asked.

“What do you mean?”

“I mean, you train them, then they do it wrong?”

Ryan shook his head slowly. “Well, it’s not like they do it wrong immediately, but after a week or so, it’s like the training never happened.”

“What do you think is going on?”

“It’s like the training is wearing off.” Ryan had an exasperated look on his face.

“So, it takes about a week before the training wears off. What could you do differently during that week?”

This was painful. Ryan was hoping he could get away with a little classroom training and be done with it. “I suppose,” he paused. “I suppose we could watch them and see if they are doing it wrong and correct their behavior.”

“What if you watched them to see if they were doing it right and give them some appreciation?”

“What’s the difference?” Ryan asked. -TF

Up Until Now

“What did you learn?” I asked. Martin had finished a couple of days speaking with his team about their individual values.

“I gotta tell you,” Martin started, “I have never had this kind of conversation with my team before. I rounded them up the next morning and before we started the shift, I just floated a couple of questions.

When we work well together, what is it that we do to make that happen?

What could we do more of, to be more effective as a team?

“All of the things they talked about were heavy with value words. Not only do I have more insight into what makes my team tick, they have a better insight. They have never talked about this stuff before.”

“And, how is this going to help you, as a manager?” I asked.

“Easy,” Martin replied. “Something as simple as everyone showing up on time. No one really understood how important it was to show up at 8:00am. Up until now.” -TF

Ask It Differently

“So, let’s get back to the conversation part. How do you get people to talk about values in a way that is helpful?” Martin insisted.

“It is really very easy,” I said. “You simply ask them.

“I know you have tried this before and you got the lizard eye stare, but try the question differently, not about them, but about the environment around them. Often people cannot talk about themselves, but they easily see things around them. Here is how the question goes.

What do you value in a team member?

“When they respond to that question, they are really talking about themselves. Here are some more.”

What are the positive things your team members do to make this a better place to work?

Think about your best manager. What are the characteristics about that person that set him apart from other managers?

When you have a really tough problem to solve, what are the things that are really helpful to the process?

Martin was getting the picture. He excused himself from the room. He had some questions to ask his team members. –TF

A Clear Connection

Martin was waiting in the conference room when I arrived. He had a single sheet of paper in front of him.

“That was easier than I thought,” he started. “I simply observed the way my team members dress, and it was curious how quickly I noticed the difference between my top performers and the rest of my team.”

“Observing physical characteristics can give you important clues about a person’s value system. People communicate a great deal about themselves without speaking a single word.” Now it was Martin’s turn to nod his head.

“Does this have anything to do with habits?” he asked.

“What are you thinking?” I replied. I could see the wheels turning.

“Well, the fact that my top performers dress differently, I mean neater, cleaner, more polished, is not because they consciously thought about it. It seems that is just who they are. And it comes out in their work product. A person who takes pride in their personal appearance, also takes pride in their work product.”

“Why do you think that happens?”

Martin paused. “I am beginning to see a clearer connection between values and behavior. Even if people don’t think about it, consciously, that’s why they do what they do.”

“So, how important is it, for a manager, to understand the value system of team members?” -TF

What Are the Clues?

“So, how do you find out what they want?” asked Martin. “You know, sometimes I talk to them about stuff like this. Sometimes, I ask them what their goals are. And sometimes, they don’t have a clue.

“I know it’s important to get some alignment between what I want (or what the company wants) and what they want. But sometimes, I don’t think they know.”

“You are right,” I agreed. “Often, people don’t know what they want. Think about this, though. People want what they value.

“How important is it for you, as a manager, to find out what your individual team members value?

Martin pondered a moment. “I am with you. It is important,” he replied. “But how do you find out about a person’s values when sometimes they don’t even know themselves?”

“Let’s start with the easy stuff,” I suggested. “What clues can you tell about a person simply from their appearance?”

“You mean, in terms of values?” Martin asked. I nodded. “Well, you can tell some things about a person by the way they dress. Attention to detail, neatness, or sloppiness.”

“I have an exercise for you, Martin. Remember, a person’s dress is only a clue, not absolute certainty. Nonetheless, I want you to make a list of your top three team members, and simply by the way they dress, write down some words that describe their positive attributes. I will meet you here tomorrow to talk about some other ways to determine values in other people.” -TF

Most Never Ask

Martin held his head in his hand. He squinted and looked at the ceiling. “Do you mean that all my attempts at motivation have been like hitting my head against a brick wall?” he asked.

I raised my eyebrows and shook my head affirmative. “People will only comply with what you want to do. They will commit to what they want to do. All you have to do is figure out the alignment between what you want and what they want.”

“So, I know what I want. How do I find out what they want?”

“Most times,” I replied, “all you have to do is ask. I know it sounds simple, but most managers never ask.” -TF

No Matter How Badly You Want It

“You cannot motivate anyone to do anything,” I observed. Martin was stumped.

“But I thought that was part of my job,” he protested.

“You can think that all you want, but it is not possible,” I continued. I could see in Martin’s eyes that he was conflicted between what he thought and his real experience trying to motivate his team members.

“Well, you may be right,” he finally replied. “Sometimes it seems easy to get people to do what I want, but other times, it seems impossible.”

“When it seems easy, what do you think is going on?” I asked.

“When it seems easy, it’s like they already wanted to do it in the first place.” Martin paused. “It seems impossible when they didn’t ever want to do it.”

“So, it doesn’t seem to matter what you want, as the manager, or how badly you want it. The only thing that seems to matter is whether your team members want to do it?”

The lights were circling in Martin’s head. The whole time, as a manager, he had been looking at motivation as getting people to do something he wanted. His mind was beginning to change. -TF

Change and Job Security

“Everything seems to change, every day,” Charlotte whispered. In class, we were talking about the frequency of change in her company. She felt the change, but had never said the words.

“Think about this,” I suggested, “if nothing changed in your company, what would your team members be doing at work?”

The anticipated blank stares pierced the silence around the room. “That’s right!” I exclaimed. “If nothing changed, they would never do anything different. They would continue to do the same thing they did the day before. And life would be good.

“But things do change, and that is why you all have jobs as managers. Think of change as your job security. As long as there is change, you will have a job to do.

“As your customers change, as specifications change, as technologies change, as we find better ways to do things, your job, your role as a manager is to modify your systems and processes to accommodate those changes.

“The more things change, the more your company needs competent managers. Lecture over, last one through the door, turn out the lights.” -TF

They Won’t Listen to Me

From the Ask Tom mailbag:

Question:

I’m a new manager for a staff of about 65 people. It seems that my predecessor was not a good manager. I have been left with people who have been misinformed about company and regulatory policies. Anytime I point out something that is being done incorrectly I end up being the bad guy. I’ve tried to be nice, explain my reasoning and show proof but it doesn’t work. They just keep saying the previous manager didn’t tell them. One staff member even called another department to complain. How can I get them to listen and comply with rules? Should I start writing people up or just keep explaining myself?

Response:

One thing I learned a long time ago, was that no one listens to me. It doesn’t matter how brilliant I am. It doesn’t matter how much I nail the solution to the problem, I get no respect. It’s the Rodney effect.

Why should they listen to you? Whatever you have to say means a change for them. And it doesn’t matter if you are right.

There is one person, however, that they will listen to. Do you know who that is? If you can figure out who that person is and get that person to dispense the helpful advice, you might get some traction.

I have found the only person from whom people will take negative criticism is themselves. The advice has to come from them.

Here is how I would start. I would observe the kinds of things that people are doing incorrectly and take some notes, build a list. Then I would call a meeting to discuss how we could make improvements in various areas. I would describe one difficulty or problem or one process in which we would like a different result. Divide the team into smaller groups of 2-3 to brainstorm ideas to get the best ideas, then invite team members to take the new actions and try them out.

I would conduct these five minute meetings 2-3 times per week, looking at all kinds of ways to make improvements. Pretty soon, they will see new ideas you never thought of. And you don’t have to be the critical parent. -TF