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About Tom Foster

Tom Foster spends most of his time talking with managers and business owners. The conversations are about business lives and personal lives, goals, objectives and measuring performance. In short, transforming groups of people into teams working together. Sometimes we make great strides understanding this management stuff, other times it’s measured in very short inches. But in all of this conversation, there are things that we learn. This blog is that part of the conversation I can share. Often, the names are changed to protect the guilty, but this is real life inside of real companies.

Shut Up and Listen

Karyn was in the conference room when I arrived. We only had ten minutes so, right to the point.

“What have you decided that you would say?” I asked. Last Saturday, there was a shouting match that ended poorly. Karyn did not want a repeat performance. At the same time, she wanted the team member to live up to her schedule and complete the work assigned. I had suggested that Karyn prepare a conversation that was both sensitive and straight.

“First, the conversation will be early in the shift. I will ask to see her in the conference room, because it is both private and neutral. I am going to start with a twenty second speech and then I plan to listen and ask questions.” Karyn stopped.

“So, what does it sound like?” I prompted.

“First I will apologize.

I am sorry the conversation got out of hand last Saturday. We are both adults and I know better. When I got angry, I should have just called a time-out so we could talk with clearer heads.

It’s obvious to me that something is going on outside of work that is very important to you. It is important enough for you to break the schedule even if your work is not completed. If we could talk about this priority, perhaps we could arrive at some solution. I might be able to help if you could talk me through it.

“Then, I plan to shut up and listen,” Karyn explained.

“So, after you listen, are you going to solve her problem?” I was curious.

“Absolutely not, if there is one thing I have learned, is that I can listen, but she will have to solve her own problem. In fact, she will have to do the hard work of thinking it through. All I can do is give her a platform to solve the problem rather than fight it.”

“Good. I will be most anxious to hear of your progress. Keep me updated.” -TF

Sensitive and Straight

“I didn’t mean to raise my voice, but I guess things just escalated.” Karyn was describing this latest blowup with one of her team members. “I am only her supervisor on the weekend, so I feel a little helpless. Her weekday supervisor lets her get away with leaving early. I talked to Rick about it. He just doesn’t want to confront her.”

“And when you stopped her from leaving early, the conversation turned grisly and she left anyway?”

Karyn nodded her head slowly. “And next Saturday, I don’t know what to do or say. I can’t just pretend nothing happened?”

“Oh, you could. Hope is a strategy. You could hope she doesn’t blow up again. You could hope she doesn’t leave early again. You could hope she gets all of her work done. But if hope doesn’t work, what are you going to say and when are you going to say it?”

Karyn scrunched her face, “I don’t want to wait until she tries to walk out the door again. Then it will be Groundhog Day all over again.”

“So, when would be a better time to talk to her?”

“I think early in the day, perhaps at the very beginning.”

“Good, then there won’t be the drama of her trying to leave at that moment. Now, what are you going to say?” Karyn struggled with this question. No response.

“Karyn, I want you think about this. You cannot stumble into this conversation. You have to be prepared. Think about this and we will talk again. Think along these lines. I want you to be both sensitive and straight. What will you say?” -TF

Saving Face and Time-Out

From the Ask Tom mailbag:

Thank you all for your helpful comments on the post from Monday. If you receive the email version of Management Skills Blog, you can follow this link to the website to read all of the posts.

From Monday’s post:

I’m new to the middle management game. I supervise on the weekend. I’ve got a great team with one exception. She leaves early, complains when she has to work late, and runs to upper management every time she feels slighted. I’ve listened when she cries. I’ve tried being the tough supervisor. Nothing seems to work. Today (Saturday) she left early without completing her regularly scheduled work. The conversation deteriorated into a shouting match and she left.

Response:

Shouting matches create a tough spot. Once the volume escalates, there is more at stake than the original problem. There are now face-saving issues on the table. How can you back down as the supervisor? How can she back down as the victim of her tyrant (weekend) supervisor?

There is no easy path back to high performance for either of you. Whenever conversations become angry, you can be guaranteed to solution is near. Immediately call a time-out.
Negotiators use it, heck even basketball coaches use it. Time-out disturbs the flow, so especially if that flow is headed downhill, interrupt it.

Janice, I’m sorry. This conversation is getting heated and if we continue on this track, I am afraid we might get derailed. I want to stop and take a break. When we come back, I know I will have calmed down and I will be able to listen better. I am going to go down the hall, buy a soda from the vending machine and I will meet you back here in five minutes.

Time-out can be very helpful for regrouping, re-thinking, calming nerves, gaining perspective.
Tomorrow, let’s look at two more areas surrounding this person. -TF

A Shouting Match

From the Ask Tom mailbag:

Question:

I’m new to the middle management game. I supervise on the weekend. I’ve got a great team with one exception, a young woman whose attitude will surely get in the way of her career. But, she doesn’t seem to care. She leaves early, complains when she has to work late, and runs to upper management every time she feels slighted. I’ve tried reducing her workload to get her out of the office on time. I’ve listened when she cries. I’ve tried being the tough supervisor. Nothing seems to work. Today (Saturday) she was called in early, but then left early without completing her regularly scheduled work. She said if I had a problem with it I should call upper management. The conversation deteriorated into a shouting match and she left.

I don’t want to run to management with this. I want to solve it myself. I just don’t know how. Any advice?

Response:

You are in a tough place. As the weekend supervisor, you have no authority to hire and fire and she is under the wing of a protective manager who doesn’t have to put up with her negative behavior on the floor. I have a few specific recommendations, but I would like to throw this out for general discussion.

Here is the discussion question. As a weekend supervisor, with only limited contact, how would you change this dynamic? Let me stipulate two rules. You cannot fire her and you cannot send her to a Dale Carnegie course. Please post a comment. -TF

Who Has the Power?

Kimberly almost chuckled. “What do you mean, I have power? I’m the one being interviewed for the job. How do I control that?”

“Actually, it’s pretty easy,” I said. “And understand this is not through some trickery or fancy technique, but by doing two simple things.” Kimberly was all ears.

“Since most people who conduct interviews don’t know much about hiring, you have an opportunity to help them make a better decision, and, as a candidate, it usually gives you a leg up.”

“So, what are the two things?” Kimberly prompted.

“First is to find out what the decision criteria will be based on, what knowledge, skills and abilities will be required for the job.”

“How will I find that out?”

“Ask questions, direct questions about the processes, how things work and what is expected.”

“Okay, I think I can do that,” Kimberly said confidently.

“The second thing is to draw the conversation back to specific examples of what you have done, in the past, related to those skills and abilities.”

“It sounds too simple,” she protested.

“Indeed, and it’s what the interviewer should be doing in the first place. Only by defining the specific skills and behaviors for success and then supporting those with real past experience, can the interviewer make an effective decision. And, as the candidate who helped that process along, you will have the upper hand.” -TF

Too Busy With Important Adult Stuff

The time you have spent preparing for this interview has taught you more than most interviewers understand about the hiring process,” I said.

“Why is that?” Kimberly responded.

“Most managers are too busy with important adult stuff, so they don’t have time to think about hiring. Here is the way most managers get pulled into the interview process.

Hey, Joe, we have a hot candidate for that new supervisor’s position. A couple of people have talked to him and they are really impressed. Say, could spare fifteen minutes, go meet him down in the conference room, and see what you think?

“So, tell me, Kimberly, what chance does Joe have of conducting an effective interview that will give him the proper information to make a hiring decision?”

“Well, I suppose he could just see if he likes the guy.”

“Exactly, with no understanding of the job description, without sufficient thinking about the specific skills required, with no opportunity to think through effective questions, Joe will have no other choice but to make his decision on whether he likes the guy or not. One of the biggest hiring mistakes is making the decision based on gut feeling.”

“So, as a candidate, where does that leave me?” asked Kimberly.

“Armed with what you now know, you have more power than you think.” -TF

The Hypothetical Trap

As my eyes scanned the page, I fell on a question that was particularly troubling. I was working with Kimberly, a recent transplant to the city, looking for a job. A head hunter asked her to prepare responses to a list of anticipated questions.

Why would I want to hire you?

“Kimberly, the problem with that question is that it invites candidates to make stuff up or outright lie to the interviewer. Most responses will be trite clichés loaded with meaningless crap.”

“So, how should I respond?” insisted Kimberly. “The head hunter said this question will likely be asked.”

“And he’s right, so you need to be prepared. Remember, the interviewer has an expectation of what an acceptable response would be. He is playing a game trying to get you to guess what he is thinking. Guess wrong and you lose.

“My philosophy is, always try to pull hypothetical questions back to your own real experience. It might sound like this:

Frankly, I can’t tell you why you would want to hire me without understanding the criteria you are using to make this hiring decision. But I can tell you why my last employer hired me, and it is related to something very specific to your job posting.

My last company had also just installed some computer software, but no one was using it. Everyone had finished the training, but still no one was using the software. My first task was to design daily administrative routines to get people started immediately. I then designed reconciliation routines to make sure the data was accurate going in. Finally, I developed a schedule of reports so other managers could make decisions about their departments. Within 30 days, we had moved completely off of our manual systems. Which part of that transition would you like to hear more about?

“Remember, Kimberly, a hypothetical question is a trap. Always move the question back to your own real experience.” -TF

Move the Interview to Real Experience

Kimberly was preparing for the interview. She just moved to town and was earnest in her job search. The headhunter gave her some questions to help prepare responses in advance.

What sets you apart from the other candidates applying for this position?

“Kimberly, the problem with this question is that the interviewer has no idea how this will help make a proper hiring decision. He could be playing amateur psychologist, to see how you view your self esteem issues, perhaps he could detect an arrogant attitude. I don’t know what information he would be looking for with this question. It is likely the interviewer doesn’t know either.

“So what do I do?” asked Kimberly.

“I would rephrase the question, change it to a better question that will give the interviewer tangible information on which to make a good hiring decision. It might sound like this.

I can’t answer that question because I don’t know the other candidates or their accomplishments. But I can tell you what I have done related to the core skills outlined in the job description. One primary responsibility, you said, is to handle change orders through your system. At the ABC Company, we had a problem with change orders, so I created a short checklist of the major problems created by change orders. There were only eight things on the list, but by watching those critical items, we reduced unscheduled shutdown from seven hours per week to 28 minutes per week. Would you like to see the list?

“Always try to move the interviewer back to specific things you have done in the past related to the most important core skills. Stay away from opinion and hypothetical responses. Your opinion might be different than the interviewer. And I will guarantee your hypothetical solution will be different than what the interviewer was thinking. Either way, you lose. Describe your real past experience. The interviewer can’t argue with that.” -TF

Best Predictor of Future Behavior

From the Ask Tom mailbag:

Question:

My friend has an interview today and the question she is worried about is, what sets you apart from other potential applicants? Why would we hire you? What can you offer our company? Why do you want to work for us?

Response:

On the one hand, candidates should be prepared to respond to these questions. On the other hand, interviewers who use these questions are idiots who don’t know the first thing about hiring. That being said, they still make hiring decisions, so these idiots still have power.

The problem with these questions is that they provide absolutely no insight to the candidate’s ability to be successful in the position.

My viewpoint stems from this philosophy – The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. If I want to know how a person will behave when they come to work for us, all I have to do is find out how they have behaved in the past.

Over the next few days, we will spend time examining a better approach to interviewing, and a better approach to being a candidate. -TF

Tour de France Update

So, Floyd Landis (USA-PHO) brings the yellow jersey back to the USA. A former teammate of Lance Armstrong, in 2005, he changed teams to get out from under the wing. That first year, he placed ninth, this year, he placed first. The amazing recovery from his total breakdown in stage 16 to his blistering domination in Stage 17 will be talked about for years.

Final Standing – 2006 Tour de France

1-LANDIS, Floyd -USA-PHO -89hrs 39min 30sec

2-PEREIRO SIO, Oscar -ESP-CEI –+57sec

3-KLÖDEN, Andréas -GER-TMO –+1min 29sec

4-SASTRE, Carlos -ESP-CSC –+3min 13sec

5-EVANS, Cadel -AUS-DVL –+5min 8sec

6-MENCHOV, Denis -RUS-RAB –+7min 6sec

7-DESSEL, Cyril -FRA-A2R –+8min 41sec

8-MOREAU, Christophe -FRA-A2R –+9min 37sec

9-ZUBELDIA, Haimar -ESP-EUS –+12min 5sec

10-ROGERS, Michael -AUS-TMO –+15min 7sec

11-SCHLECK, Frank -LUX-CSC –+17min 46sec

12-CUNEGO, Damiano -ITA-LAM –+19min 19sec

13-LEIPHEIMER, Levi -USA-GST –+19min 22sec

14-BOOGERD, Michael -NED-RAB –+19min 46sec

15-FOTHEN, Marcus -GER-GST –+19min 57sec

16-CAUCCHIOLI, Pietro -ITA-C.A –+21min 12sec

17-VALJAVEC, Tadej -SLO-LAM –+26min 25sec

18-RASMUSSEN, Mickael -DEN-RAB –+28min 33sec

19-AZEVEDO, José -POR-DSC –+38min 8sec

20-BRUSEGHIN, Marzio -ITA-LAM –+43min 5sec

Like a Little League Team

It was a simple question. After all was said, I am not even sure Erwin expected an answer. We had been talking about accountability, specifically, how to train managers to hold team members accountable.

Erwin wasn’t sure that it was even possible. Perhaps he was becoming a believer.

The first step is building the connection. The second step is the model itself, the sequence of steps. The third step, aahh, the third step is practice. This is the step most companies miss.

“Bring them to a meeting, run them through a PowerPoint, answer a few questions. Boom. They should get it. Right?” Erwin was staring, not a blank stare, but a focused stare. Behind his eyes danced the hundreds of hours his company had spent training its managers.

“Was it a waste?” he finally asked.

“I can show you how to throw a ball, but if you want to get good at it, what do you have to do?” It was my turn to stare.

Erwin took a long time to respond. “Like a Little League team?” he quietly whispered.

“Like a Little League team. Most companies expect a high level of performance after a single pass in training.

“How do you teach accountability? The method is easy. It’s the practice that’s hard. In fact, most companies skip the practice, then wonder what happened.” -TF

Monday, July 24 is the kickoff day for our Working Management Series. We have four spaces left. For more information, follow this link.

Tour de France Update

You may have noticed we missed our TDF coverage yesterday. I was in a small township in Pennsylvania with a cobbled together internet connection. Just enough bandwidth to crank out a couple of emails, but not enough to post the update.

It was the second stage in the Alps, which brought out the real mettle. Mickael Rasmussen (DEN-RAB) had his way, true to his favorite form, by himself all alone. No sprint to the finish, as the contenders were already done many kilometers before. Even Floyd Landis (USA-PHO) was broken, dropped in a breakaway by Carlos Sastre (ESP-CSC) with 10km to go. Landis never recovered and lost ground to all the top riders, ending the day in 11th place overall, eight minutes behind.

But Thursday was different. Landis recovered from the dead, against all odds makers. In a calculated move, Team Phonak lead off the front of the peleton, following an escape of eleven. Once Landis had caught the yellow jersey, he pummeled forward to the chase group and picked them off one by one. He crossed the finish alone, almost six minutes ahead of Sastre and seven minutes ahead of Oscar Pereiro (ESP-CEI).

After all was said and done, it is these three separated by thirty seconds.

Overall Standings after Stage 17

1-PEREIRO SIO, Oscar -ESP-CEI -80hrs 8min 49sec

2-SASTRE, Carlos -ESP-CSC –+12sec

3-LANDIS, Floyd -USA-PHO –+30sec

4-KLÖDEN, Andréas -GER-TMO –+2min 29sec

5-EVANS, Cadel -AUS-DVL –+3min 8sec

6-MENCHOV, Denis -RUS-RAB –+4min 14sec

7-DESSEL, Cyril -FRA-A2R –+4min 24sec

8-MOREAU, Christophe -FRA-A2R –+5min 45sec

9-ZUBELDIA, Haimar -ESP-EUS –+8min 16sec

10-ROGERS, Michael -AUS-TMO –+12min 13sec

11-SCHLECK, Frank -LUX-CSC –+13min 48sec

12-BOOGERD, Michael -NED-RAB –+13min 52sec

13-CAUCCHIOLI, Pietro -ITA-C.A –+15min 46sec

14-CUNEGO, Damiano -ITA-LAM –+17min 18sec

15-FOTHEN, Marcus -GER-GST –+17min 23sec

16-VALJAVEC, Tadej -SLO-LAM –+20min 50sec

17-RASMUSSEN, Mickael -DEN-RAB –+21min 4sec

18-LEIPHEIMER, Levi -USA-GST –+22min 1sec

19-AZEVEDO, José -POR-DSC –+34min 1sec

20-ARROYO, David -ESP-CEI –+37min 11sec